Gungahlin Trig Crace, Australian Capital Territory, Australia
By Geocaching Australia on 14-Apr-11. Waypoint TP5677

Part of a big day of trig hunting.

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I was in the area with nibletricecakes this evening finding a gc #keepthestreakalive.

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Up here for a walk with GLISS! To stretch our legs in the evening light and grab a cache. Thought it was about time we grabbed the trig too! A lovely walk to the squawks of the local cockatoos

4th trig I found today. Out caching to satisfy the requirements for a research challenge. TFTT

Found today. Never been here before. Nice area.

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put down the vacuum and headed out into the sunshine. Housework can wait. Beautiful day to be out. standing here listening to the birds.

Nice walk with the family in the evening sunlight. All of us needed to get out for some nature, no Hoppy today so we chose an area that was not allowed with dogs. The Gungaderra Grasslands Nature Reserve was perfect for that. THis Trig was another bonus.

found while caching in the area

a sneaky vaneless trig. easy to find though I suppose, at least with gps and coordinates

One of nineteen finds today. TFTC.

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Last day for double points and first stop of the day. Short walk to this trig.

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visited! nice place

Picked up an early cache today and collected the trig along the way. Nice area. TFTT

Doing some science homework nearby meant a quick pop by for this. Lovely vista

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FurfacesLL No 1 was out and about with Rapidlywild on an afternoon stroll and headed to this one as they were close by.

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Out and about with FurfacesLL #1 today so we decided to swing past and grab this one on our ventures. Was a bit concerned as approaching as we couldn't see a "trig" but we found the yellow poles and what remains of what we believe were the trig feet. Thanks for the location Geocaching Australia

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Found today on a walk with the geohounds. I was going to go for a couple of other caches but there were too many kangaroos. So I headed up here instead. I've been here before, but didn't know about the trig. Glad to find it today

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My first ever Trig , was up here getting some caches and boot65 started to teach me about the trigs .

Up here with Tanso having a stroll and grabbed a pic while here. Nice spot for a short walk.

Found it very close to a GC cache and in the middle of a suburb.
TFTC,
Roostaman.

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#GA22 - 11:05; Passed this one on the way to a GC cache nearby and stopped off to log it on the way back. The development just to the west of here is now getting close, so the pristine bush environment is shrinking sadly. TFTC

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Found on a nice cold morning. A very lovely walk to the top of the hill. Great area. Thanks Geocaching Australia!

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Found on a walk through the area with Just a cacher.

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Been here before after caches. Trig was looking a bit worse for wear, only 1 post still standing...

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Dropped by today and went for the walk to claim the trig.

TFTT

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I think that there are numerous examples of trig points that are not represented by a traditional trig structure. Kiama Trig, Honeysuckle Trig, Black Mountain Trig, Weetangera Trig, Point Danger Trig and a number of examples of plain old water towers out west - check out the one in central Mildura - the strangest trig I have seen so far.

If the trig is marked on a government website and survey maps and some physical form of structure can still be found I will have no problem logging this one.

Thanks to all those people who do take time in finding these trig points and ensuring that they are placed on GCA.

I'm not buying into the debate. Its listed, so Im logging it. Yet another stroll up this hill - there have been many over the years.

Cheers

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334. Had a bit of time up my sleeve after the roo cull interrupted my plan. Well well gotta love some controversy. So I see we have a fin and I guess the second photo shows a footing - not really different to the Jerra Trig in that respect?

TFTT and the marlin.

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Have been here before for a GC cache but decided to come back and get the proper photo as this is a lovely little reserve. TFTT

I really enjoy seeing the variety of trigs available - wonder if anyone has done an archaeological/historical study of the evolution of Trig markers? Hmmm, now that would be an intersting winter project for me!

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GCA 139 - 3917. A strange find really..

I remember seeing this strange 'trig' when finding the GC cache Hilltop Screwtop. Time to claim the 'find'...

TFTC !!

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Does this help...
I fished the blades from the trig out of the dam down the hill.




There are 3 (of the four) footings still visible from the original trig posts. The position and orientation of the trig is evident and the MC rod is visible (which is separate to the yellow posted survey marks).

The original spelling of the trig is "Gungahline".






I reckon it is a trig - but then I like looking over old maps and finding what remains.
Note" on the map "Palmer" is marked.

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Just when think it can't get funnier it does.
If you've been watching the trig point forum you'll have seen that ACT Planning and Land Authority has respondEd to my question and confirmed that this is indeed a trig point and they do use yellow posts to mark the location of same. Obviously it's been very hard for you to eat a big chunk of humble pie and accept a trig point exists at this location. Clearly you've had trouble dealing with that and now had to raise issues with my photos depicting the wrong part of the marker. Yes, clearly I was not at this location and my log is a fake! Whilst you're certainly entitled to your opinion regarding photo content however misguided your motives may be, I'd at least suggest some consistency. I refer to your words as follows which you've posted in a large number of trig logs:
"However, whether the thought police like it or not, I intend to claim every trig that I visited since starting caching at the end of 2001. As evidence, I will either post the photo if I have one, or reference the cache that I visited nearby, or name another cacher who can vouch for me being there."
Clearly you believe it's acceptable to not even have a photo at all to accompany your trig logs or will you be returning to all of those locations as you believe I should?
Do I need to comment specifically on some of your photos to make your position look any more ridiculous or shall we leave it at that?

The two trigs you found, Mt Reedy (TP5698) and Sparrow Trig (TP5439) BOTH have a "Trig" PLATE identifying the place as a TRIG.
This location does not, by your own rules - the one you found Mt Neighbour (TP5699) HAS A BOLT (an old relic part of the old trig that was there.). A threaded bolt. So, I took a picture of just sucha "trig" here. LOL. And, the yellow "trig" indicator is also visible, LOL.

History - The yellow SURVEY POSTS replaced many old survey locations (some trigs included)circa 1960's. They DO NOT automatically represent trigs, as trigs did not exist at all yellow post SURVEY MARKS.

As for the relics of the trig - LOL - I went there AND FOUND THE THREE THREADED BOLTS THAT FORMED THE OLD TRIG, see my pics.

I think this is the forth time I have come past here. Plenty of trees to keep the post company. Albida

Out with Albida today and we thought we would grab this trig. Have been up to this hill acouple of times now. TFTC

See the Trig Points forum in General Chit-Chat re the FTF issue.

Found it – although I still don’t think it should be published as a trig… It is simply a survey marker like very many others in the ACT. I think it should be published as a virtual cache instead. I would argue that it doesn’t matter what the government sites suggest is there, it is what is actually there that counts.

OK – I have read the forum, and it seems that the consensus is that the person who found and published the trig can claim the FTF! Cool! - So I can now get busy – Now if only there could be a consensus as to where to draw the line as to what can be published as a trig!

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As discuused on the forums, I too have no problems with pjw claiming a ftf. He went and found it - first. (The ones way out East in the ACT in Kowen forest, were indeed trigs pjw went and found - first. - regardless of whether or not they were in the original GCA batch of trigs or came later - he went out and found it first).

(if it is a trig)

Seems unusual to be ftf on a cache of your own making. Actually being a finder of your own cache in general. Be it a trig or a regular cache

For the record if there is nothing there I log the trig as did not find as I have recently done with Condor Hill and Tidbinbilla where records indicate trigs did exist but I found no evidence on the ground. I believe the trig is defined by the records of a trig existing at a certain location and if I go there and find evidence consistent with that record (yellow posts, bolt in concrete, cairn, pillar, etc.) I will log the trig as found. If there is no evidence then it is logged as DNF. I don't use what I find at the location to determine whether or not it is defined as a trig point. The authority that has recorded the location as a trig point and provided me with the coordinates of the survey mark has already defined it as such.
If you have issues with the accuracy of ACTPLA data their website encourages submission via an on line form to advise of accuracy problems or damage to trig points and other survey markers. If you're sure they've made mistakes then help them correct them. Just because you found nothing doesn't mean their data is flawed. The trig point (location) remains but the evidence of it's existence is gone (a speed limit doesn't cease to exist because the sign goes missing: the north pole and equator are still there even if you can't find a sign that says so).
Have a look at the NSW LPI website. They also seek on line verification of trig point positions and condition as I believe the surveyor general requires they be maintained. I'd like to see us trig-gers seek and inspect listed trig points and do something constructive by feeding our photos and findings back to these authorities.

As mentioned, I climbed quite a few hills in search of ACTPLA trigs (marked MC). On some of those hills there is NOTHING… No stub, no plate, no yellow poles let alone a trig station…

But I can see it now – when you get to climb those hills – and find nothing, you will still be logging it as a trig, because ACTPLA said so! – I have no problem with you logging these places as caches (ie virtual caches) – and will be more than happy to go there to find them, I just don’t think that they should be logged as trigs.

Clearly you're not familiar with the site. Follow this link (http://www.actmapi.act.gov.au/commands/viewlinkedinfo/surveycontrolmarks/survey_control_marks_list.asp)and you'll see that trig stations are identified by ACTPLA using the 'MC' code in the database. I've also done another today which doesn't meet YOUR criteria but which is actually referred to in legislation as a trig point. I look forward to your argument against that one. All that aside you guys need to put away your home made trig police badges and find something to do rather than disputing others legitimate caches. Your debate is not with me it's with ACTPLA. Obviously your combined knowledge and experience exceeds theirs. I don't just find stuff in the bush and call it a trig I identify trigs via research and then go there to log them. I believe the GCA forum moderators adjudicated on this issue previously and said that if I believe it is a trig it is; if you believe it's not then it's not. It is not my business or your business to pass judgement on these matters. If you don't believe someone else's trig is valid then don't go there! You don't have the authority to dictate what people do in this community. I recall you previously disputed the 'Sparrow Hill' trig point but have changed your position (pardon the pun) on that one.
I've provided some evidence suggesting the Gungahlin point is a trig and you pair have provided nothing credible to the contrary. If you can I'd certainly appreciate that but until then it remains a trig as far as I'm concerned. Everyone in here has different views of what constitues a trig and provided they have some evidence to support their view leave it alone. As for this cache being relegated to a survey mark, by whom and based on what evidence?
You really need to rethink what GCA is all about and what your role should NOT be in this community because shooting down others efforts based on nothing substantial is pretty lame.
Incidentally, the Gungahlin trig does have a bolt concreted in the ground but the photo didn't work out.

Hey pjw - that ACT Govt website - http://www.actmapi.act.gov.au/commands/viewlinkedinfo/surveycontrolmarks/survey_control_marks_list.asp


Where is the word "trig" in it? All I see is survey marks.

At the end of 2009, and early 2010 I climbed many mountains looking for trigs… (Including this one - although it hardly qualifies as a mountain – but that is OK). I climbed these mountains, as there were “trigs” marked on actmapi.act.gov! However, unless there was an actual trig there, I did not log it. It appears there are many errors on actmapi.act.gov! I would suggest that if you want to log survey marks, you should publish them on www.waymarking.com. – That site is well suited for that! – In fact I’ve found “trigs” on that site before!

Oh but they are. They are defined as such by the ACT Planning Authority.
http://www.actmapi.act.gov.au/commands/viewlinkedinfo/surveycontrolmarks/survey_control_marks_list.asp
You'll see that many of these points will also meet your definition of a trig. Yellow posts are not the definitive criteria in my opinion but rather designation as a trig by an appropriate authority such as ACTPLA, LPI, Geoscience, etc.

Alas - this is not a trig... There are hundreds of those survey points in the ACT, but they are not trigs... If you think they are trigs, you'll be busy for the rest of the year!

First to find. Identified whilst scouring topo map. Easy stroll in from the Barton Highway.

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