Geocacher's Notebook Locationless, Locationless, Locationless
By
bristracker on 01-Jan-11. Waypoint GA3020
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Type: | Locationless |
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Proximity: | 161m |
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Description
A cache for your record-keeping method.
How do you record your finds? Do you print out the pages from the website? Do you have an index card file? Or do you keep a separate diary where you keep track of your caching. As the last year ended I knew it was time to find another geocaching diary for 2011.
In case you're interested when I started I used a fat little spiral diary where I could write caches found, trackables found or dropped off. Some days I needed to go back and find an unused page because I was finding so much. I also used a specific colour to tick off caches I've logged and to circle those that needed checking.
This year I found a little diary that had room for caching on one side of the page and real life on the other. So I could integrate geocaching with The Other Stuff We Have To Do. Aussie Liahona liked it so much Mrs Aussie sent Mr Aussie out to get one immediately from the same newsagent. I carry mine everywhere.
I have been very impressed with the level of organisation shown by the cachers who have logged this one. Thanks for the support and the ideas shared.
Go for it.
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Everything is written down and space is left for notes on each find. I usually use spiral bound notebooks and put 2 caches per page.
We choose our caches from the GCA map.
When we are having our usual 3 month escape to the 'big island' all the caches we plan on finding are written down ready before we leave. This system does fall apart when caches have been disabled between when we decide to do them and when we actually get there.
A very archaic way to cache but it suits us and is all we have ever known.
Thanks.
Thanks
The only way was to write things down in the book - long hand when you travel without a printer (
But no worries as I have the records
The only problem has been before we started writing them down, before phones with GPS apps, the old paper trail used to disappear
We have quite often got to GZ only to find we had been there in 2012, especially caches over East - not funny anymore lol
We have photos of both logs now )
TFTC
I am logging this one to claim unfound for sixty days.
Thankyou for this Locationless which is helping me in my pursuit of points for our State.
Which is great and all, but in the field - when you need a pen and paper - a simple notepad suffices. Also very useful to rip the used pages out of and place in a cache if the log is damaged and/or missing.
If I'm doing targeted caches, I write down the list and cross it off as I go. LuckyLion taught me that one!
I use the app Geosphere, getting the caches for the area I want on the day by using the live map function before I leave the home.
I find caches with the app, and then mark them as found (not sending the log or a note) writing a few key points to remeber the cache, or TBs or PT etc.
I used to the loade these logs into GSKA to write the log on the Computer keyboard and to add pictures and log for my kids. Turns out this takes to much time and I was falling WAY behind (2 years) so something had to give.
Luckly a new app came out eventuelly, called looking4Caches L4C, that allowas you to log for other cachers at the same time! Really usedfull.
I also use TBs to track who of the kids or wife was with me at the cache (but it is tricky as I sometimes forget this so the counts are allways out by a fair bit.
I have spiral notebooks A5 size for a journal/log
Small for a field journal
I have printed and bound pages of multis and puzzles so i can keep track of workings, solutions and waypoints
I also use a collage app to create a photo journal.
but I allways have a note book for any calculations I may need to do.
TFTC bristracker.
Our “To Be Found” lists are in two formats. Within Tasmania we operate an index card system. Cards are organised into geographic areas and the cache data for individual caches in an area is merged into a single .gpx file. Hence, when we are going, for example, to the West Coast we will pick up our West Coast index cards and load the West Coast .gpx files into our road and hand held GPS units. Details of finds are recorded at the time on each card and kept aside for later processing (usually that day).
When we are venturing outside Tasmania we always have a largely predetermined route in mind. We will select caches along the route and the information we normally hold on index cards for Tasmania is entered into a table in a Word document, one row for each cache. We bind the printout of the table into a booklet so that we don’t have loose pages to lose. This compacts the data we need to take (often on planes, being mindful of weight limits). We also create one or more .gpx files with the cache data, usually one for each state/territory we visit or sometimes, because of the memory limitations of our GPS units, we may split a single state .gpx into two files. Details of finds are hand written into the table, logged each night (if possible) and retained until we get home again when, after reconciling our data with the summary data on geocaching.com and geocaching.com.au, we discard the finds information and the table becomes a list of those caches still to be found (which is added to for the next visit).
Whether we are in Tasmania or beyond, we keep a spiral bound notebook to record the codes of the finds for the day so that we don’t inadvertently miss a card or an entry in the table when we log our finds and update our records at the end of each day.
Details of our finds are entered into linked Excel worksheets and linked workbooks. Details include cache name, date of find, cache type, source (.COM or .AU), state and a flag to indicate whether or not it was a First To Find. There is a single workbook for each year, one worksheet for each month and worksheets where monthly totals of total finds, finds by type, finds by state, finds by source and FTF are automatically updated as finds are entered in the monthly worksheets. A separate linked workbook aggregates the information from each year so that the breakdown of our career caching figures is available the instant any new finds are added.
We do not permanently record details of the specifics of hides. We do however write notes on the cards or in the tables of significant things about the cache so that we can write detailed logs when finds are logged but never include specifics of the hide in the published log. This way we can share information with other cachers without compromising the hide.
We have thought about a smart phone but at this stage much prefer to research our target caches (which includes solving puzzles) before we set out rather than just arrive in an area and see what caches are around. We may get a smart phone one day but it will only be for newly published caches (since we assembled our data) and for checking on the recent history of target caches.
Most notes I need to take in the field I use my camera for - Android with Instant Upload to plus works wonderful.
If I need to do math, I carry a small paper notepad in my pack.
Now with smart phone, oregon 450T and gsak on the laptop the entire process is streamlined and I can log the caches on my phone including found time, and update field notes as I find each cache, or as a data dump at the end of the day/ trip. I prefer this method
Guess this may be one of the reasons Im one of the most obsessed cachers in Tassie
Thanks for the cache bristracker
My how times have changed. Bring on more caching and less admin.
I do my geocaching the paperless way on the Oregon, using GSAK to update the cache entries with corrected coordinates and keep track of my finds. But I do carry a little notepad for multis and field puzzles. This is my second - the first was much the same but cardboard covered and soon disintergrated with use. This plastic covered version was probably cheaper but has proved to be much more robust (I think it came in a 5 pack from one of those $2 type stores). I also use a ragtag collection of old printouts for workings out of puzzles - which is why I sometimes have to start over when I can't locate my workings out... I fuzzed out some coordinates in the photo (sorry - you'll just have to work them out the hard way! Razz)
(This find is causing me grief with BadgeGen daily counts - so I've been tweaking coordinates, etc trying to get it to work... :-\ )
But, after a 2 year hiatus from caching I thought I'd get a bit more 'paperless', and got a laptop, Premium membership, and queries from GC up and running. Still print out the Multi and Unknown cache sheets.
While I change the icon on the query I still haven't got onto GSAK to help organise the recent changes to cache description or coordinates, so I still 'find' caches that have been archived/disabled sometimes.
As a nurse I ALWAYS have a few pens on me, and always seem to come back with a few less.
I tend to print out puzzles I'm working on and write notes (and hopefully solutions!) on the margins and the back. These I file away in case I forget how I did it.
For bigger events (like the recent OZ MEGA ALBURY WODONGA) I keep a notebook with me to write it all down. You never know when you'll see a trackable driving by or get a new phone a friend helpline.
Now that I have an i-GPSr, I am much more paperless, but the trusty notebook has become an invaluable tool. I ran an event cache on leap day and all attendees signed a notebook, so that has now become an important tool in the GC kit. Now that I'm getting into GCA's (only 16 so far) the notebook is very important for planning. I have all the trigs in the local area in there. I also use it for tracking TBs and moveables and for recording my calculations on multi's and mystery caches. That way I have a log of where I'm at with those ones that take a while to work out!
I write the entries in order of the days caching, plus the suburb/town where they are. I make a short, dated, note about the cache when found (in a different colour pen) so I know which ones that I still haven't found. People have asked why I dont just upload logs immediately (I have been given many different programs to use), but I would much prefer to write it down, plan my route, do a little research before hand, read previous logs etc.
So not only am I low-tech, I am s l o w as well!! But I much prefer it this way! Caching is more than just the numbers to me
I still record all my finds and puzzle details on my PC but a notebook is my portable back-up disk in the field. Countless times it's proved invaluable for helping fellow seekers, refreshing my memory or, God forbid, those nightmare moments when my device batteries are flat.
Am on my second version after 18 months of geocaching - a hard-cover, indexed option - but it won't be long till I need No 3.
Back in the Etrex days there was more info like coords and cache code but now it's the cache name, the street and suburb (car GPS doesn't DO coords), size and hint (over the fold). When we did our big day a month or so back I planned it out with the caches in logical driving order.
Don't keep a proper notebook, just paper notes from time to time.
Now that I'm thinking about this, perhaps it is time to actually read through the Oregon 550 instructions and see how to use it to records finds, comments etc and upload them at the end of the day. After all, I work in an environmental field so should aim to be totally paperless if possible! Even if it means becoming a junky to batteries - although the solar recharge on the go idea mentioned in the logs here sounds a great way to go!
Thanks for the hints, tips and ideas contributed so far
Firstly, Dad prints off our caches at work using old paper or we sometimes write them down on a special piece of paper. Then we go out to find them.
After finding them, I don't have a real geo-notebook, but I sort of have one in my brain. I remember almost all of my finds. When we go away without a computer though, we have a printed out spreadsheet on which we write information and notes.
Finally, we don't have any special gadgets so we log our finds on our computer when we get home.
TFTC.
However, I carry an A5 spiral bound notebook for recording coordinates of locationless caches, notes, thoughts, etc. The pages in the notebook are made from sugarcane paper also known as bagasse!!! (Actually I really bought the notebook because I liked the 3D strawberry decorated cover.)
We also keep a Word document on the desktop on the laptop. It's just a table with details (name, code, date, where found, where dropped off, date) of trackables that we have handled. I work in admin, I can't help it!
1. I have PQs that I download from GC and GCA on a weekly basis. These all go into GSAK (Geocaching Swiss Army Knife).
2. I use the GSAK notes section to track puzzles and ideas. I also use it to add child waypoints for Multis I am solving and/or a Final Location for Multis and puzzles. I also add all my trackable details into a dedicated GSAK database so it can calculate and categorise my TB finds.
3. After that I download from GSAK directly to the car GPSr and also to my Nokia N97 mini.
4. When the waypoints have been loaded into the Nokia I use SmartGPX to keep a track of the caches in the phone.
5. I also use ViewRanger software on the phone but only for the map/compass/arrow feature lacking in the native applications. I would love to see something like c:geo ported to the Nokia S60 platform but that seems pretty unlikely now.
6. Along with these methods I have a small spiral bound notebook for storing any details found "in the field" (lunchtimes, during the week) and a larger 96-page exercise book for weekend use. These were used in the beginning but less now. Still they are very useful when you want to take notes without having to stop the GPS function in the phone. I use that for calculating WPs and storing hints and clues often found in the back of log books.
In addition to the Nokia N97 I bought a Nokia LD-3W bluetooth GPS which is far more accurate and allows me to zero in on GZ in most situations, much like a dedicated unit.
7. I use several GSAK macros to calculate a wide variety of stats and auto-upload them into my GC profile.
I have the caches sorted according to area - but recently the number to be found has increased significantly and so the container has changed from a manilla folder to a portfolio divided by area.
More recently I have tried to be a bit more environmentally friendly in that I have been printing double sided (but still think that my method could be improved but it is working for me currently).
Although I download all caches onto my gps I still like to have a small 96 page exercise book in which I write the cache name and gc number and I jot down anything interesting for when I log the find later. I also find this invaluable for recording trackables either dropped off or picked up.
In 2003 when we first started geocaching? Just an etrex yellow and a pile of print outs (I still stumble across one from back then floating around occasionally!).
In 2011? We generally use the Oregon 550 which gives a visit log of field notes to upload at home, taking geotagged photos of relevant TBs/clues/WPs with the inbuilt camera and updating on gsak.
Multis are generally worked out on a notepad, there is an app for that but it is far too $$ for what it is so I have not tried it.
If I am only doing one or two caches I will just log my field notes via the iphone.
And in the case of a long series with clues, I went along with gsak running on the netbook to update the notes and corrected coords of the final after each cache, instant images of gz using the iphones personal hotspot. Oh and I have gsak rigged up so it is running the database out of dropbox, so all computers have the same info all of the time
Please note: despite the similarity in names there is no family relationship.
We don't print out the pages anymore as we have them on the GPSr it makes it so much easier!
Actually we still print out EarthCache info as sometime the GPSr cuts off the questions!
Once home I update GSAK with any solutions and notes from the notebook.
I keep track of all caches done, various stats, GZs of Multi's and Puzzles I've done. Answers to questions etc and some memory joggers.
Its a red Collins Account Book - rapidly filling up !
TFTC
Sometimes I remember to use the fieldnotes option in the Oregon, and even note any TB's in the comments,
but the rest of the time I scribble it all on the nearest peice of paper and then manually update the cache logs when I get home.
As I only just worked out the how the fieldnotes works, I dont use it enough, but believe I will do so more as time goes on.
However the scraps of paper will still be needed for teh locationless that need logs and pics I think.
When the finds are logged, we mark them off in the notebook.
Puzzle caches and some of the larger multi's are printed out and we work on the puzzle ones on paper until we can solve the puzzles. With the multi's we carry the printed out cache details and use it to write the information on that we need to find on the way.
When we are planning a caching day away from our local area, we print out maps of the area we are going to with the caches shown on the map and work out the best route to take. We also print a list of the caches we wish to do and tick them off as we go. These maps and lists are kept on a clipboard which stays in the car. These caches are still recorded in the spiral notebook as well.
I'm sure our ways will change as we go along but this system works for us perfectly.
I print out the description sheets for each cache I wish to attempt. I usually do this the night before I go caching. Then I sort them into the order of search. I then plce each one in a individual plastic sleeve in a binder. When I Find the cache or am ashamed to say DNF a cache I then place this description sheet towards the back of the folder. I write notes on every sheet including date and time found, weather, if any trackables left ot taken and the tracking numbers. When I et home I ope the computer and make and entry then I keep the sheets for a short period of time then shred them.
TFTC and the recording.
Logging is done through the Oregon 550 and field notes when I return to the computer.
This suits the way I cache.
Once I have found a cache, I record on my PDA a spoken description of the find so that when I get home I can remember all the search information to write the log.
With the 300, I use the add comment field to note coin/TB's and then use the field notes to complete my logs. I will still print out some puzzles and multi's if I think the paper copy will work better for that cache.
Next GPS'r....who knows.
For a raid however, I try to be more or better organized. I will have a printout of all the caches we will be seeking, including solved puzzle or multi coords. I do this so as to have a prompt to make notes about each cache - otherwise the logs wouldn't be informative at all....
After the first 10, they start to blur!!
Yeah - an efficient system.... like the few finds I cannot log so far today from a couple of days back, as I used my wife's diary, and she has it with her and is out for the day.
However if I'm doing a day hike to get some caches out bush I then print out a copy of the caches I plan to visit so I can scribble, ensures I have a pen in case the cache doesn't, and means that if batteries run out in the phone I can still find the cache (my non phone GPS doesn't let me download caches to it and I'm to lazy to type the details in)
I use a garmin oregon 300.
As I record a find it keeps a log that I download to the gc/gca website.
I then mark of my finds and download the GPX file to GSAK and keep my records there.
If I pick up/drop off a TB or GC I take a photo with my iphone to remember where this was done.
I also take photos of any notes in caches that I may need for further info in multi's or further co-ord's for other caches and store these on my laptop for when needed.
TFTC
This combination has helped to jog the memory on more than one occasion and has been used when discussing possible caches and cache hides when talking to fellow cachers.
Now I have an Android handset and I use GeoHunter and it logs field notes into a file which I upload when I get home. Sometimes I just remember, especially if it is a sudden FTF hunt.
I also record every find I have made on my own google map along with the coordinates and who, if anyone, was with me at the time. Plus the cache type and if it was a FTF.
But, this is the year to get slightly more organized.
Started using an A6 notebook, which is so useful! I can use it to record trackables, remember the name of "that cache i did, that was really cool and should add to my favorites", and plan new caches!
Hooray!
However, I do carry a small spiral note book in the car in case I need to write something down.
If I have phone coverage, the notebook doesn't get a look in and I will use a iPhone app called Evernote.
This locationless cache has made me think about how to record my activities back here in Australia before it gets away from me because, you may be surprised to hear, that I have become addicted to the sport. I have a large ring binder in which I store the print outs (no logs) from the web sites in cache ID order. I scribble notes on these sheets when I am out on the hunt and then stick copies of photos onto them before returning them to the folder. It will become an active record of my finds as well a store of all of the new and interesting things I have learnt through Geocaching.
I am using an iPhone and Gamin Oregon 550 on the hunt as well as my Tom Tom 700 in the car for initial appraoch to a cache.
TFTC
I use my iphone for viewing, logging caches using the Geocaching app,(I have geosphere but never really used it), my Garmin 60csx for the GPSr, I usually (but not always) use GSAK to plan my runs and upload them into the GPSr, upload gpx file to geocaching.com and download into iphone (including GCA caches), and upload from GSAK into my Tom Tom to get me there. I log on the run, and modify later if nessesary.
GSAK keeps track of where iv'e been, so i only use a pen to actually write in the log at GZ.
geo wife likes the paper, as its easier to read, but it find it more of a hassle.
Prior to going out on a days caching I work out which caches I am going to try and find and I then prefixed the cache ID's in GSAK with a letter .... A for the first one to go to, B for the second etc. This data is then imported into my GPS and TomTom so I know the order to do the caches in. I then use a small log book to note the time I found the cache or if I DNF, this info is then used to create the online logs.
Simple really
Hmm what a novel idea.
I use Geocaching.com and geocaching.com.au to keep track of my finds , DNF's, and all other stats... what an amazing innovation!
( sacrasm aside)
I think i have a spiral notebook that covers my first 500 or so finds, but i keep forgetting to keep it up to date.
so i use the stats pages on our log sites as a reference.
1. Prints off the cache from the inter-net and logs date, time of find, co-ords of find (on his GPS), what swap was taken from and left at the cache. The front page of the folio is then put into an A4 folder for safe keeping.
2. A spiral book has the found caches listed in order of finds, date and time of find for field reference.
3. An "XL" file of all finds and the pertinent info is kept for posterity on my PC. This also contains a list of and the number of finds I have had for any given cacher eg. For Greenish, I might have had 30 finds aand so on and that is listed in this "XL" file.
Cheer and TFTC; OldSaint.
This might seem like overkill but I enjoy doing it and it helps with my geocaching stats.
Technology has made my Geocaching really easy today, and as they say "There's an app for that!"
Geocaching Kit - Today
- The same small spiral bound notebook - for taking notes in the field
- A few printouts from listing websites; only for solving puzzles while out and about
- Geocaching with Geosphere (iPhone)
- Geocaching.com application (iPhone)
- Simple GPSr (Gamin Vista)
- GSAK
I have only recently setup Geosphere and I am finding it very useful for recording what I have found and uploading my logs. It also really helps with finding GCA caches, especially those pesky Gnomes and other movables.
When I find a cache, I write a quick log in Geosphere with a reminder about the find and any trackables dropped or found. This is saved as a field note to be uploaded at the end of the day. I can then sit back in comfort, knowing what I have found and allowing me the time to write meaningful logs.
The catch ... the iPhone battery has a tendency to go flat, just when you need it! A solar powered phone charger is a valuable addition to the kit!
Thanks for the opportunity to share and keep note! It will be interesting to re-visit this in 12 months to see what's new?
TFTC
Ooops and forgot to mention the Laptop... Never leave home without it...
For each days hunting I write the date, then for each find I record the name of the cache, followed by a series of codes for Ease/Difficulty of the hunt, my rating of the cache, the GAFF rating for the hunt, items taken and left, and travellers grabbed, discovered or dropped. I also include any info on bad or occasionally good coords, and notable events or views.
An example is this one for GCMMN6 AO#2 - Ubatuba by Team Webguy which is in my notebook on 29 Sep 10 as follows:
AO#2 - Ubatuba, VQE, 4, G0, LCC, TN, grabbed Quadrant GC ?????? (actual tracking number written in), Cow+NY i/o, new bag.
This then expanded to the following:
[Begin Log]
WanderingAus wandered by on day 141 of our annual Climatic Refugee trip, after dropping the WanderingMrs (aka SWMBO) for a few hours of line-dancing. I found an easy trail which seemed to be leading in the right direction, so I set off on "the high road". Unfortunately that trail petered out with 100 CroMs to go. In keeping with the Australian Coat of Arms critters (Never a backward step for the kangaroo and emu) I chose to bush-bash towards the river, and after about 60 metres came across the riverside trail.
I continued on along "the low road", and soon made a very quick and easy GAFF 0 find.
My find No 3110, LCC, TNLNSL, grabbed Our big Quadrant (ref = TB28ENM), dropped Geocow TB (ref = TB1H42C) and my WanderingAus Happy New Year 2008 Gold GC in for a visit before grabbing them back again. I didn't see Alien Geocoin DL2QB #3 (ref = TB19TZH) or Trigger of the Turf (ref = TB2YT04) in the cache. They have both been mentioned as long gone, owner of the cache needs to report them missing.
The logbook bag was torn, so I replaced it with a new ziplock bag. The return trail along "the low road" was much easier than the forward journey.
*Recommended* *Overall Experience: 4*
T4TH Team Webguy, a really wonderful spot you brought me to.
Keith
[End Log]
Note that *Overall Experience: 4* translates to "Top Cache". At the time of hunting I'm unaware of any travellers in a cache, but I always do a thorough search, hence the mention of the missing ones.
My current notebook started on the first day of our 2010 trip, and now has 5 pages left. It would have been finished by now but the last two months has had me doing lots of chores (necessary after being away for 6 months), mixed in with health problems, so I've only found about 12 caches in over two months.
From the notebook it gets translated into a Notepad text file with the aid of GSAK to provide the cache name and URL for "Log your visit", name and URL for any travellers, followedd by the full log, and when the whole days (or sometimes weeks) logs have been written I use copy, paste and cut, paste to upload all the logs to GC or GCA as required.
T4TC bristracker
Keith
Locationless types are in a book in 'interest' order & include the requirements. I study this very now & again.
I now have internet access for my laptop when travelling & record the results each night. Once logged & checked I delete the mobile recordings & found caches from the GPSr. The only thing I back up is GSAK.
I haven't kept any written records of my found or hidden caches. I keep the information stored electronically on my Toshiba Satellite Pro.
Because I'm a stickler for backups ('There are two kinds of computer users: those who make regular backups and those who will learn the hard way to make regular backups.') I use two portable hard drives and the server where I work to keep everything safe.
But having read what others have written on the subject, I'm considering periodically printing out my cache records as hard copy, for extra security.
When I'm out caching, I do keep a written record of what I've found, the condition of the cache, accuracy of published coordinates, etc. And I use my iPhone camera to record significant details, but by the time I get home the paper is usually a mess and I throw it away after transcribing the information.
Thanks to bristracker for creating such a useful 'locationless' cache!
Must upgrade the technology to get with the times some time soon....
1. Countless peices of A4 paper that sit under the front of my laptop.
2. One of those little spiral book that you get from Woolworths for about $2. where I can write caches Notes, trackables found or dropped off,
3.An old PPC were i have all my Cache's & i can add notes to.
4. And for all the rest of the info that is on my Laptop.
We do have an A5 notebook the goes to events with us to record trackables, and we use this sometimes on caching runs were we are going to be in and out of the car a bit - prior to heading out we list the caches in order of attempt, and tick them off when found.
It is going to be interesting to see how other people operate.