Chiltern's Water Chiltern, Victoria, Australia
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Bingley3683 on 16-Aug-11. Waypoint GC32BB6
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Lid is broken. Will fill with water when it rains. Did place it more ‘under’ so hope that will help.
After signing the log for Crazy Critters did a quick search and saw another cache 400m away so obviously i have to get it. Had to jump a river and everything! Easy find. TFTC. SL at 16:20pm.
#17727 @1410
While in the area for the Victoria Orienteering Champs, I took the opportunity to grab a few caches by particular Victorian COs to qualify for a challenge cache. Cache easily found. TFTC.
While in the area for the Victoria Orienteering Champs, I took the opportunity to grab a few caches by particular Victorian COs to qualify for a challenge cache. Cache easily found. TFTC.
This was a nice quick find for us here in this infrastructure. Thanks for the cache.
The things you find in the bush. This was a nice quick and easy find. Thanks for placing the cache for us to find.
My last days away. Great week away helped my mental health. Checking out the area and finding some caches. Great knowledge. Great hide.
I had a great day out in this beautiful area. Thanks for placing the cache. Great Spots. TFTC
I had a great day out in this beautiful area. Thanks for placing the cache. Great Spots. TFTC
Day off today so decided to head out by myself to Mt Pilot Chiltern NP and grab a few caches. Quick find here thanks !
Easy find for the little ones. It has a wet log so I have replaced with a dry one. Tftc
Lovely day for a geocache. Took the Geo wife and kids out for a adventure around Chiltern. TFTC.
With a calendar hole, impending lockdown with Coronavirus and the threat of Bingley3683 archiving some of his caches I decided to today to head down to Chiltern to collect a few caches. Was a glorious day and I enjoyed walking in the bush immensely - such a great national park we have on our doorstep. The only one not enjoying the day was the geohound who had to be left a home.
This is a part of the National Park I have not explored before and so I headed south from Chiltern township and was a bit surprised to see a group of horse riders as I entered the reserve (they might be fine here, but it makes me wonder). Anyway after a slight diversion I ended up at this nice location - lots of birds calling including Fuscous Honeyeater which was nice. Circled at GZ and spotted when I looked from the right angle (the lack of grass probably helped). Size was bigger than expected but I see a note was added a while ago. A nice spot to visit and I may be back to explore here further.
TFTC Bingley3683
This is a part of the National Park I have not explored before and so I headed south from Chiltern township and was a bit surprised to see a group of horse riders as I entered the reserve (they might be fine here, but it makes me wonder). Anyway after a slight diversion I ended up at this nice location - lots of birds calling including Fuscous Honeyeater which was nice. Circled at GZ and spotted when I looked from the right angle (the lack of grass probably helped). Size was bigger than expected but I see a note was added a while ago. A nice spot to visit and I may be back to explore here further.
TFTC Bingley3683
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1.17. Merge accounts.
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"The truth is out there, and so are many more caches"
Cheers from Karen and Reg.
I thought I had been all over Chiltern, but you always take me somewhere I haven't been to yet M. Tftc which is in good condition.
SO I originally wrote something like FLTF of Found FLTF which of course means Full Log to Follow. I was full of good intentions but sadly life illness, children, work and all the rest of it took over and I didn't get back to write a decent log. So here I am apologising, SORRY! Thank you though for supplying us with a cache to 'find' or 'do' it's much appreciated.
Sorry for the crappy log hopefully the next time our paths cross I'll have more time on my hands and I'll be writing better ones!
TFTC
Sorry for the crappy log hopefully the next time our paths cross I'll have more time on my hands and I'll be writing better ones!
TFTC
Quick and easy but still clever and well hidden, not where i first suspected, happy to find.. tftc
Out with HappyFeet1, heading to a CITO in Wangaratta and making the most of a spring day. Taking the opportunity to grab some caches along the way Despite having a DNF's, we still enjoyed our day together with a few laughs and found some great hides and the bonus of catching up with a number of other cachers, while picking up some rubbish and having a BBQ.
Out with OZREG, heading to a CITO in Wangaratta and making the most of a spring day. Taking the opportunity to grab some caches along the way Despite having a DNF's, we still enjoyed our day together with a few laughs and found some great hides and the bonus of catching up with a number of other cachers, while picking up some rubbish and having a BBQ.
This one last one to stop and grab on the way home after an long day. We searched high and low, even expanded the search. This almost had us beat and we were about to give up, when the "found it" call came, from somewhere we had already looked,..... but not well enough. Now home for dinner.
I am currently writing detailed logs because of a challenge provided by Project-GC. "The Author" Badge challenges geocachers to average one hundred words or more in each log. As of the start of 2018 my average was only 47 words per log, which seems a long way from the 100 target. Given that I have found so many GC caches, I have to write many logs with well over 100 words for a long period of time to get my average to the target. Apologies to anyone who finds the logs tedious but it is the only way that I can strive to attain this challenge. After over 7000 plus caches (which includes all cache finds up and including yesterday), the average log length is just over 50 words. I am now entertaining the possibility that I might be able to achieve my task before the end of next year. It's surprising how much is has increase since doing this.
Thanks Bingley3683 for placing the cache for us to find and doing the maintenance to keep it in play.
7696
This one last one to stop and grab on the way home after an long day. We searched high and low, even expanded the search. This almost had us beat and we were about to give up, when the "found it" call came, from somewhere we had already looked,..... but not well enough. Now home for dinner.
I am currently writing detailed logs because of a challenge provided by Project-GC. "The Author" Badge challenges geocachers to average one hundred words or more in each log. As of the start of 2018 my average was only 47 words per log, which seems a long way from the 100 target. Given that I have found so many GC caches, I have to write many logs with well over 100 words for a long period of time to get my average to the target. Apologies to anyone who finds the logs tedious but it is the only way that I can strive to attain this challenge. After over 7000 plus caches (which includes all cache finds up and including yesterday), the average log length is just over 50 words. I am now entertaining the possibility that I might be able to achieve my task before the end of next year. It's surprising how much is has increase since doing this.
Thanks Bingley3683 for placing the cache for us to find and doing the maintenance to keep it in play.
7696
Out this way to collect son from a Cadet activity. Great hide. Almost beat me as I needed to be on time. Tftc
After a little mishap with ms geokid falling in the water, finally found this cache
Headed out to chiltern to check out the xmas lights but arrived a tad to early which gave me a chance to find a couple of caches.. didnt take too long to find once in the right spot. The kids loved seeing all the kangaroos jumping around the car on the way out of the national park.
*14/10/17, Found @ 7:54 pm, Find # 7170.*
Another weekend and another road trip, this time I was headed to Wangaratta to attend the next lead up event for the Alexandra Mega.
As I was heading out of the area, I stopped off at this one for a look.
I headed over to GZ and started looking around, it did take a little while to find but I got it in the end and found that it was swimming, I rescued it from the water, signed the log and replaced it along a little further out of the water.
**Thanks to Bingley3683 for placing this cache.**
Another weekend and another road trip, this time I was headed to Wangaratta to attend the next lead up event for the Alexandra Mega.
As I was heading out of the area, I stopped off at this one for a look.
I headed over to GZ and started looking around, it did take a little while to find but I got it in the end and found that it was swimming, I rescued it from the water, signed the log and replaced it along a little further out of the water.
**Thanks to Bingley3683 for placing this cache.**
Tricky little hiding spot. We had to search the same place twice to find it
TFTC
TFTC
Out for a quick cache with Nacspaceman so took the time to find this tricky little hide. Interesting spot to visit. TFTC Bingley3683
A quick P&G, or so I thought. This one took a bit of scratching around to uncover but after a shortish search the simple hide was discovered. I think the long grass had me second guessing myself here.
Nice little out of the way location. Very peaceful today.
TFTC
Nice little out of the way location. Very peaceful today.
TFTC
I was heading into this one when I noticed one on the road before it. Got that one and now this one. Found easily, first spot I looked. I like that... TFTC
Took a while with the phone jumping around. It was a sneaky hide. Tftc Bingley. Nice lake.
We wanted to see "Colins Crocodile" nearby, and thought we should do this one on the way. he only trouble we had was that the GPS units wanted to take us to Old Cemetery Road and go cross country from there. I didn't like that option, so we ditched GPS navigation and just followed the Maps.me map on our Samsung Tablet. Worked a treat, and we were able to drive to within a few meters of GZ. It was actually a fluke that Mrs RoddyC spotted the hiding hole so quickly - it's sneaky, and we could have spent quite a while at this rather enchanting spot. Found at 3.00pm on 23rd September 2015. TFTC,
[:(!] Thanks for an awesome effort.
I like it
Another one of the list
TNLNSL TFTC/TFTH/TFBUH Bingley3683 [^]
I like it
Another one of the list
TNLNSL TFTC/TFTH/TFBUH Bingley3683 [^]
Found on a nice Sunday afternoon cache with friends. Lovely spot, thanks for bringing us here!
Was a bit of concern about which end and whether we'd need to cross the channel, at the start but turned out easy. Another nice spot visited
Time to collect a few Bingley caches that are just off our usual track. Grabbed one last night then the others today with BettyBoo3747 and Chewinprickles. The weather started fine in the morning, but after lunch at Chiltern it got a bit soggy.
We got near GZ and hoped that it wasn't the other side of that mucky channel! Fortunately not.
A quick signature and we were on our way.
Thanks, Robmc.
We got near GZ and hoped that it wasn't the other side of that mucky channel! Fortunately not.
A quick signature and we were on our way.
Thanks, Robmc.
#715 29th of 30 finds as we headed to the Chiltern area for a days caching. Found this one near on full dark, could see parts of the former water supply infrastructure but couldn't get a full appreciation - tftc Bingley3683, we enjoyed doing many of your caches today, Regards Team BGF.
# 7445 Found on the second leg of our S.K.I.D.R.O. adventure,
at another stopover in this little town for a few days.
No sign of any muggles around and a lot of good 4wd tarcks around here.
Thanks for the cache Bingley3683,
Roostaman.
at another stopover in this little town for a few days.
No sign of any muggles around and a lot of good 4wd tarcks around here.
Thanks for the cache Bingley3683,
Roostaman.
After a bit of searching and wondering from which direction we should go to get this one we found it. I even got to drive the 4wd!
One last cache to help add another smiley to this area. We didn't know it till we got here, but we have been in the area before as the air-force cadets have regular camp outs down the track a bit.
As we got closer to G.Z. we thought we may have come from the wrong direction as we could see a road in the distance and some rather swampy and reedy land between us and G.Z. Luckily it only took us a small detour to discover the way around.
TFTC.
As we got closer to G.Z. we thought we may have come from the wrong direction as we could see a road in the distance and some rather swampy and reedy land between us and G.Z. Luckily it only took us a small detour to discover the way around.
TFTC.
This cache sounded like it could quench my thirst for more finds today
But somewhere along the way I discovered I was driving along the wrong wroad !!
I detoured along a likely trail through the forest but it only got me to within 400 metres of GZ.
I could see another track on the other side of the creek, so it was on foot for this cache
The creek was easy to cross and I enjoyed the wander along the road to GZ.
Those metal mushrooms I kept passing by must have something to do with a pipeline !!
At GZ the pipeline showed itself, as did a distant view of the lake
Nice spot and a nice easy cache find to boot [^]
TFTC and yet another stroll through the Chiltern bushland
But somewhere along the way I discovered I was driving along the wrong wroad !!
I detoured along a likely trail through the forest but it only got me to within 400 metres of GZ.
I could see another track on the other side of the creek, so it was on foot for this cache
The creek was easy to cross and I enjoyed the wander along the road to GZ.
Those metal mushrooms I kept passing by must have something to do with a pipeline !!
At GZ the pipeline showed itself, as did a distant view of the lake
Nice spot and a nice easy cache find to boot [^]
TFTC and yet another stroll through the Chiltern bushland
A short and pleasant diversion today. What a great picnic area this will be. Hope it will soon happen. Thanks for bringing me here Bingley
This was of the beaten track but interesting how small the water supply is. TFTC
This one has been on my list for a while now and so today was the time to attempt it.
Followed the Barambogie Rd along, then turned onto a non-distinct trail to the right just before the forest starts which led me to about 300m from GZ. Parked the car as I was concerned going along further may cause me to get bogged. Walked to the end of the trail then through the pine plantation before coming out the other side about 100m from GZ. Stirred up a wallaby who figured that I was bigger and uglier than him.
The water was flowing nicely yet I can understand why the supply would be less than reliable. Especially with the emerging population of Chiltern relying on it.
The co-ordinates were bang on again, and a short search revealed the well-hidden container and I SL at 12.45pm. It would surely make a great place for a picnic. TFTC Bingley3683.
Followed the Barambogie Rd along, then turned onto a non-distinct trail to the right just before the forest starts which led me to about 300m from GZ. Parked the car as I was concerned going along further may cause me to get bogged. Walked to the end of the trail then through the pine plantation before coming out the other side about 100m from GZ. Stirred up a wallaby who figured that I was bigger and uglier than him.
The water was flowing nicely yet I can understand why the supply would be less than reliable. Especially with the emerging population of Chiltern relying on it.
The co-ordinates were bang on again, and a short search revealed the well-hidden container and I SL at 12.45pm. It would surely make a great place for a picnic. TFTC Bingley3683.
#730 found on this the 230th consecutive day of caching finding 15 for the day which ended after going to have some lunch and seeing 5 new caches had been released. of which I was able to find 4 with one a DNF.
This was number 6 of what ended up to be 15 for the day. With the day progressing on it was a nice relief to be near some water and listening to the sound of flowing water really calms you down so after pausing for a little while here it was soon off to the last before lunch as the time had been marching on.
Thanks Bingley3683 for another of you many challenges and I added this one to the bag for today although not as challenging as some of the others the find part of this was interesting.
This was number 6 of what ended up to be 15 for the day. With the day progressing on it was a nice relief to be near some water and listening to the sound of flowing water really calms you down so after pausing for a little while here it was soon off to the last before lunch as the time had been marching on.
Thanks Bingley3683 for another of you many challenges and I added this one to the bag for today although not as challenging as some of the others the find part of this was interesting.
After parking the car and started off to GZ we were stopped in our tracks with the sight of a big male koala leaping into a near by tree.He was down having an arvo drink in the creek.We have seen them before on our walks around the bush but never close to the ground. TFTC and fort he opportunity to see a wild koala up close.
Found on a wonderful day out caching with Troobloo. Not quite sure about the size in the description? We were looking for a micro and found something a little bigger. All the better for finding so no complaints. The GPS had us 6 meters away and over the water. But thank goodness it was on our side. SL TNLN T4TC
Sunday cruise with Coruze brought us here to do this cache. Co-ords had me on the other side at first, tightpipe walk across? Then the gps settled and found the cache. Bit of a snake skin near gear gz, now that makes you a bit wary, but no wrigglers around.
SL.....TNLN.....T4TC
troobloo
SL.....TNLN.....T4TC
troobloo
#2431 Our second last cache for the day as the afternoon had gotten away from us & we still had things to do at home. Dad negotiated his way toward GZ OK however the long flattened grass was too slippery for the Queen who fell pretty heavily (didn't we just have this conversation with the Harrowangs & BettyBoo3747??). Gallant Dad got the Queen back on her feet once she got her breath back & then sought and found the cache. We hope that they do put in a picnic area in this nice tranquil place. Thanks once again Bingley3683 for the cache & bringing us here
# 243. I do hope Skullracing appreciated the fact that I had cleared the cobwebs from the cache which had been sitting peacefully and undisturbed for almost 4 months. Harrowang and the geoHilux kindly brought me to this place before we continued on to a couple more of the newer caches in the area. TNLN
On a afternoon trip caching around Chiltern went to have a look for this one in the dark. pulled up near GZ at 8.30pm in complete darkness and as I was about to start searching a car pulled up, so ill come back and try and find another day.
Needed a cache today for the 30 day challenge, and after 4 days in a row to Beechworth - we needed a change of scenery - so this was the chosen cache for Mrs H and the Geokids today.
The geokids wanted to try catch one of the many croaking frogs rather than look for the cache, and Mrs H was only worried about snakes! Luckily the cache was found quickly - getting the log out took a bit, but all good.
Hadnt been out this way since Mrs H's grandparents lived on a farm not too far away - so thanks for bringing me back this way Bingley.
TNLN SL Cheers.
The geokids wanted to try catch one of the many croaking frogs rather than look for the cache, and Mrs H was only worried about snakes! Luckily the cache was found quickly - getting the log out took a bit, but all good.
Hadnt been out this way since Mrs H's grandparents lived on a farm not too far away - so thanks for bringing me back this way Bingley.
TNLN SL Cheers.
This was to be one of a few today but I only managed to get to this one, due to my own disorganisation.
Parked close by and found the cache after a few minutes searching. Nice and relaxing listening to the water running by.
Cheers.
Parked close by and found the cache after a few minutes searching. Nice and relaxing listening to the water running by.
Cheers.
Nice spot this one, on the walk in towards GZ we spotted a Fox trying to catch some swooping Crows (the Crows were obviously protecting there nests), the fox didnt know we were in eye shot of him.
We stopped and did not move a millimetre, just watching nature do its work, we felt like David Attenborough in the Forest.
Eventually the Crows won, and the Fox moved on,....!. the fox had his nose on ground all the way towards us,........ and he was as close to us as you are to your fridge, when he looked up and saw us....................THEN done a runner as quick as he could.
This is one Cache we will never forget, what a fantastic site............Cheers to Bingley for bringing us here for a top cache.
TNLNSL.
We stopped and did not move a millimetre, just watching nature do its work, we felt like David Attenborough in the Forest.
Eventually the Crows won, and the Fox moved on,....!. the fox had his nose on ground all the way towards us,........ and he was as close to us as you are to your fridge, when he looked up and saw us....................THEN done a runner as quick as he could.
This is one Cache we will never forget, what a fantastic site............Cheers to Bingley for bringing us here for a top cache.
TNLNSL.
On the trail today with bushhiker. Some head scratching was done before clueing on and finding the cache. TFTC
This entry was edited by mvyrmnd on Saturday, 10 September 2011 at 10:37:36 UTC.
This entry was edited by mvyrmnd on Saturday, 10 September 2011 at 10:37:36 UTC.
Found while out caching with my daughters (Bomb Shell and Bubble O Bill) and my 5yo twins, James and Jemma. Neat little hide that makes you view something a little different. Took about 10 minutes, and coming into the cache location from Barambogie, it was a bit of a mud/water bash on some smaller tracks, but a lot of fun. TFTC.
Found this cache with Blacklegend and Bubble'O.Bill
I really liked this spot, the little water fall was fairly nice.
Got a bit of car sickness on the way down here [xx(]
TFTC
I really liked this spot, the little water fall was fairly nice.
Got a bit of car sickness on the way down here [xx(]
TFTC
Found on a day out caching with my Dad (Blacklegend) and my sister (Bomb Shell). Also my twin brother and sister James and Jemma. Me and the twins checked out a tree for the hide, while my dad and Bomb Shell checked out another area. I soon was called over as my Dad had found the cache. I haven't seen one like this before. TFTC.
A beautiful Sunday morning for a bike ride in the Chiltern forest, so off to grab the latest Bingley GZ. The good thing about riding up to a dam is its all the down on the return journey. Got my feet wet on the last and deepest water over the road just out of Chiltern. Signed log and TFTC
#712 Found at 3.48pm. The water is pretty dirty after the rain earlier this week. Plenty of frog sounds to listen to as we signed the log. TFTC Bingley3683 - should be a nice area when they get around to developing it. Found on International Geocaching Day.
This entry was edited by Harrowang on Sunday, 21 August 2011 at 22:19:24 UTC.
This entry was edited by Harrowang on Sunday, 21 August 2011 at 22:19:24 UTC.
Found on my way to Wodonga this morning. Nice easy cache in a quite locate with birds signing loudly,and running water close by.
TFTC Bingley
SL 9.45
TFTC Bingley
SL 9.45
Well a lil crisp this morning but I got out and played anyhow. Found At 8:40am and what a lovely spot, I now need to pee lol. TFTC TNLN cheers bingley for this great little area. Sorry found at 7.40, been up most of the night with Geolad and am a bit tired {:)}
This entry was edited by kiara001 on Wednesday, 17 August 2011 at 23:36:56 UTC.
This entry was edited by kiara001 on Wednesday, 17 August 2011 at 23:36:56 UTC.
Found it. I wondered the same as driving to gz at 8.00am. All good second to find. Nice little spot. TFTC
This entry was edited by veddadog on Wednesday, 17 August 2011 at 23:20:45 UTC.
This entry was edited by veddadog on Wednesday, 17 August 2011 at 23:20:45 UTC.
GPS was confused by the trees so had to gets hints from veddadog who'd logged this earlier in the morning. Shame this is a micro when there's all this bush around...
Well done kiara! I thought someone wuld have been there at midnight but a good FTF. Ummm how did you find it at 8.40 when even now its only 7.55?!